The Myth of Fast Fluency

I got the question again yesterday, “How long will it take me to learn German?”  The language matters little of course, but the question is always the same and reflects I suppose the heart of the “everyday language learner”.  We want to learn it fast, get it over with and get on with our lives.  Learning another language for many is a means to an end and little more.  We want or need to talk with people in their language.

I define the ‘everyday language learner’ this way:

  1. an ordinary, regular person who is learning another language
  2. someone who may not have a special love or excitement for learning another language but who wants or needs to learn it none the less

This of course contrasts sharply with polyglots learning an assortment of languages one after the other.  There seems a certain glee that is seen in their quest to master as many languages as they can.  They are not learning languages because they have to, but rather because they love everything about learning languages and can’t get enough.

I am definitely an everyday kind of language learner.  You may be too.  I learn languages when I need to learn them – like when I moved to Mexico or when I moved to Turkey.  What I love is not some much the languages as it is the role I get to play as teacher and encourager and coach to language learners.  I love sharing the things I’ve learned on the journey with others who are just getting started.

But what I don’t like then is to see the process of learning another language made into more than it really is.  Donovan Nagel posted an interesting video last week that has generated a bit of discussion in the comment section of his post, Word Play: Hyperpolyglots On 16X9 – The Bigger Picture. (watch the video before you wade into the comments)

The producers of the video were looking at those known as hyperpolyglots – those folks among us that have studied and learned to a high degree of proficiency in as many six or eight or more languages.

The tone of the video is that folks who speak more than one language are somehow gifted above and beyond the rest of us.  It’s sort of left me feeling like there were those who had an exceptional ability and there were the rest of us.

And this is unfortunate.

Certainly some do have a special gift for language.  Certainly some are inclined to more quickly remember vocabulary and comprehend new grammar structures.  But no one is incapable of learning another language.

I hear that one all the time too:

Oh, I’m not good at languages.

I could never learn another language.

I just don’t have a gift for languages.

One of the problems people with this attitude have run into (among others) is the myth of fast fluency.

The idea is that there is some sort of silver bullet (a special ability could suffice) that leads to fluency in a matter of months.

We want it to be easy.  We want it fast.  We want the purple pill of fluency. 

I saw it on display yesterday as I walked through the streets of Istanbul to meet a friend: Learn English in 48 Days! read the language school sign.

The problem with this of course is that we think of achieving fluency in terms of months and years yet we learn languages in minutes and hours.  There is no way aroud this.

The Word Play video begins with a look at Axel Van Haute’s language routine:

  • Work eight hours everyday at a translation firm where he is required to speak and read many different languages.
  • Go home and spend up to eight hours studying as many as sixteen languages.
  • Go to bed, wake up and repeat.

That sounds like how I learned Turkish! Oh, wait, that must be someone else.

In the  comment section of Donovan’s post, Rick Henry touched on a very important point that I want to talk about here:

I have always maintained that you need three ingredients to learn another language:

  1. You need comprehensible input (read about comprehensible input)
  2. You need a chance to practice
  3. You need time (minutes and hours as opposed to months)

The difference between the everyday language learner and the polyglot then lies mostly in this third ingredient – time. (more on “mostly” in a minute)  They quite simply put in more time than the rest of us.  That is the main difference.

So when I watch Richard Simcott give his six month update on Turkish (and realize he is quickly approaching what I’ve accomplished in four years) I don’t jump to the conclusion that he has a special gene that allows him to learn faster than me.  I assume rather that he has put in more dedicated time than I did in my first six months.

And when I watch Benny speaking at what seems a fairly passable level of Mandrin Chinese after just three months, I don’t think it is because he is somehow gifted or better than me.  I think he has put in more time.

So I don’t really believe there is any such thing as fast fluencyThere is just putting in the time – one minute at a time.

Mostly

You will notice that I said mostly above – it is “mostly” about time.  I’d be kidding myself is that was the full story.  It’s not of course.  There are other factors at play that explain why polyglots seem to learn languages faster than the rest of us, but even in these we can learn and improve our own learning journey.

The first factor is that most polyglots love learning languages.  We all do a lot of the things we love.  If you are a gamer, you spend as much time as you can playing video games.  If you are a Manchester United fanatic, that is where your time will be spent.  We all have our hobbies and passions and spend our time accordingly.

For one reason or another, they fell in love with learning languages and what knowing other languages could do for them.  So where the everyday language learner has to make a choice to put in the time, these guys and gals have to chose to to take a break from it. (These are all broad generalizations of course)

The second factor is that they have learned how to learn.  They have learned what works and what doesn’t work.  They understand their learning style.  They have created systems that help them get more comprehensible input and waste less time.  If you are working to master your first language you are quite often working through trial and error trying to find out what works best for you.  By the time we figure out what works best, most of us will have already achieved a high enough level of proficiency to not worry about it any more.

I am sure there are other factors as well that could be discussed or debated – personality, the affects of bilingualism on the brain, and even genetic factors.

The goal here is not to write about why polyglots learn faster than the rest of us (in terms of months and years) but to learn from them.  And putting in the time seems to be one of the biggest lessons we need to learn.

This is good news!

Time seems the only common denominators between all of polyglots that I know and have read about.  Some study grammar.  Some dive into speaking right away.  Some read novels. Some watch loads of movies.  Some take classes.  But they all put in a lot of time.  And we can too!

Is there such a thing as fast fluency?

Not really.  There is just putting in the time.  And that is something we can all improve upon.

A Word About Polyglots

I am not a polyglot.  Perhaps I will be one day, but I am not now.  To me, being a polyglot is as much a mindset and attitude as it is an actual description of what one can do with the language.  I run, but I am reticent to call myself a runner.

Most of the polyglots that I have read about or follow are true inspirations.  Language learners are extremely lucky in this regard. Imagine if Cristiano Ronaldo or Wayne Rooney had a blog and a Youtube channel where they regularly taught about all the tricks and training they do to be world class footballers.  That is what we have.

Most of the polyglots I see online are genuinely interested in helping others develop a passion for language learning.  They are approachable, humble and inspiring.  They are generous and helpful.  For this we can all be thankful and we can all benefit.

I know I’ll miss a few, but here are some of my favorite blogs and Youtube channels.  I’d encourage you to take a look and to learn from them.  Watch their videos too and be inspired.  We may not all aspire to become polyglots, but we can all become better language learners.

Richard

Susanna

Luca

Mae

Steve

Rick

Stuart Jay

You can find loads more great blogs at The Top Language Lovers competion.  I’d love your vote, but there are 100 great blogs on the list to explore and learn from.  

(Click here to visit now)

 

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20 Responses to The Myth of Fast Fluency
  1. Susanna Zaraysky
    May 23, 2012 | 5:59 am

    Well said. It’s all about time and technique. In my case, I was naturally inclined to languages because I was surrounded by them and my Dad didn’t speak English well so I fell into the role of interpreter/translator very young. Plus, once I realized that I learned one well, I was more enthusiastic to learn #3, #4, etc.

    Time, passion, methodology.

    Simple.

    No gimmicks.

    Some of my languages I learned over time. I think Portuguese was a work in progress for about a decade off and on. (More off than on.)

  2. Gavin
    May 23, 2012 | 9:14 am

    Hey Aaron, great post, but I think it’s important to problematize what we mean by fluency, even though we may take it for granted. I think this stems from a strong ‘native speaker’ bias in thinking on language learning, or what’s called the “monolingual bias” in SLA. This may seem a bit academicky or politcally correct, but I think it’s true. Take this quote from an SLA researcher for example:

    “The development of additional language competence interacts with, destabilizes, and most likely transforms the nature of linguistic competence across the languages of the individual (languages interact).
    (e.g., Cenoz et al., 2001)

    What does this mean for polyglots, or everyday language learners for that matter?

    or this one…

    “Bilinguals cannot be reduced to the sum of two monolinguals in one.”
    (Grosjean, 1989)

    I just think that language learning takes on lots of different shapes, like you said, and these polyglots are learning very specific uses of the language they are studying, aiming their time on an idea of fluency that matches thier ideal image of a ‘fluent’ speaker. So, is monolingual like competence really the goal? I don’t think so, even bilinguals from birth have very differing relationships to the languages they speak, as well as different levels of fluency.

    Also, on a side note, I think all of what you mentioned is spot on, but I think comprehensible input needs to be seen less from what kind of input is coming into to the learner, and rather how the learner actively interprets (or not) the input. In this way input is more like making comprehensible the linguistic affordances available to you in your environment, if that makes sense. Anyways, great post!

  3. Justin Lukasavige
    May 23, 2012 | 4:57 pm

    I hope learning multiple languages isn’t just for the gifted. Otherwise, I’m out of luck. :)

    I’m glad I’ve connected with you, Aaron. Although I know bits and pieces of other languages, I want a system to learn more.

    • aarongmyers
      May 23, 2012 | 5:42 pm

      Learning languages is for all of us for sure – you only have to look to the rest of the world – most of whom know two if not three languages to know that it’s true. We Americans just haven’t had (or taken) the opportunity to dive in. So, no, your not out of luck. Likewise, great to connect with you. I’ll be in Denver later this summer. Maybe we can grab a coffee.

  4. Wojtek
    May 23, 2012 | 8:05 pm

    Great post Aaron! You made me realize that I won’t be a hyper polyglot and this is not depressing! :)
    Knowing a lot of languages is a lifestyle, full time hobby. For many of them, it’s the way of earning money.

    I share my time among many things, have a few hobbies and I would not like to spend all my free time to learn new languages and maintain the others. Since you have to maintain them all the time.

    I could be one of those folks like everybody. But as you said, it’s all about time.

    I like the comparison to football players. Because these hyper polyglots are professionals.
    Apart from English which grew decent enough, I would like to learn at least two other languages – perhaps German and Russian. And I would like to do it especially because having passed the trial and error period while learning English, I would like to know how my methods are working.

    All the best!

  5. Andrew
    May 23, 2012 | 9:34 pm

    I completely agree and I think more and more people are learning this, thanks to…Steven Pinker, was it?, I’ve seen more and more people spouting that “10,000 hours” figure, that is it takes about 10,000 hours of dedicated practice/study to achieve “mastery” of any skill or ability. I’m not the least bit surprised at this figure. Additionally, the author (I think it was Pinker but I’m not sure, could have been Malcolm Gladwell) asserted that the only primary difference between people who master a skill and people who don’t is that the masters put in the necessary time, that’s it. I would generally agree.

    I’ve seen language teachers and bloggers attempting to address this problem in a sort of roundabout way (not to say it’s incorrect, I agree with it) by telling people that motivation matters more than anything, that your reason for wanting to learn the language is what really matters: how bad do you want it? What this does is it gets the person to become sufficiently motivated such that they’re consistently putting in the necessary TIME every single day, which does the trick. Ta-da.

    Cheers,
    Andrew

  6. Kevin Post
    May 24, 2012 | 6:32 am

    “And putting in the time seems to be one of the biggest lessons we need to learn.”

    Absolutely!

    I found this post very helpful Aaron. Thanks for taking the time to write it.

  7. Ian
    May 25, 2012 | 1:27 am

    Yep, you get out what you put in. I have found that the question, “How long to learn German?” is often an indicator that the questioner will A: grumble about the commitment required and B: look for shortcuts.
    Are there any shortcuts? Yes, do more work each day.
    I have been questioning my own progress on my own language project. http://thebabelproject.wordpress.com
    But a post like yours reminds me – if you want more outcomes, put in more input (work). Thanks Aaron for the reminder.

    • aarongmyers
      May 28, 2012 | 9:10 pm

      Hey Ian,
      Thanks for stopping by and for the comment. Seems the secret that everyone who has worked at a language or two already knows – put in the time! Glad the post was helpful!

  8. Clare Jones
    May 29, 2012 | 10:09 am

    Another excellent post, Aaron! Thank you! I’ll send the link for your blog to all my adult learners and suggest they subscribe.

    • aarongmyers
      May 29, 2012 | 5:10 pm

      Thanks so very much Clare! And hey, the Figure Out French app looks cool too! Any other languages in the works?

      (click on Clare’s name to visit the Figure Out French homepage to learn about this App)

  9. Allan Ngo
    May 30, 2012 | 11:08 am

    Hey Aaron,

    I was totally intrigued by the headline. I would agree that putting in the time is definitely one of the BIGGEST key in succeeding in language.

    One has to have a tremendous passion for the language to actually choose to spend time learning it rather than goofing off, watching television or playing sports.

    It is true for most endeavors. Sure there are more talented people, like not anyone can dunk a basketball like Lebron James, that is truly talent at it’s finest. But putting in the time will give you the best chance of succeeding at anything.

    Whatever you focus on grows right? I believe the same goes for your language skills.

    Great post!

  10. Fabrice
    June 2, 2012 | 10:04 am

    Hello,
    Of course learning a language takes time.
    A sentence like “Learn English in 48 days!” is marketing to attract students (customers …)
    It’s like my first book “How to speak French in 5 minutes”. Of course, you are not fluent in French in 5 minutes. But at least you can learn a few words to have a first conversation.
    See you
    Fabrice

  11. Ahmed Ali
    June 14, 2012 | 2:34 pm

    just like you i am also an everyday learner, but sometimes it gets hard to do that since i have a busy life, thts why i bought a kindle which is really allowing me to learn . these guys are doing a good job with their phrasebooks on kindle
    chek dere website
    http://www.etonphrasebooks.com

  12. Mae
    July 4, 2012 | 10:10 am

    Hi Aaron!

    Unfortunately I didn’t have much time left to browse my favourite websites lately. But I wanted to come back to thank you! I’m flattered that I made it into your favourite blogs…
    Thank you for reading!!!

    Mae

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  14. m.maille
    July 11, 2012 | 4:43 am

    I believe that as language is about communication, learning grammar is secondary to learning the language. A foreigner being able to communicate , albeit making many grammatical and lexical errors, is this not the most important factor? When a child learns a language ,any language, it learns by listening and repeating and mechanics of the language are learnt much later………..the majority of English children who ,of course, speak English fluently have far less knowledge of grammar than any foreign ESL student.

  15. Allison
    July 16, 2012 | 11:01 am

    Aaron,
    Thank you so much for this very sensible post.*

    I’ve often felt that anyone who claims they know a magical shortcut to language “fluency” is just trying to sell you something, and I haven’t come across anything to prove me wrong yet. It really is just about putting in the time and the work.

    You’ve left off my favorite youtube polyglot, Alexander Arguelles. I’ll never have his language repertoire, but I really appreciate him as a teacher, because he clearly loves languages and clearly wants people to love them also and to learn them well. He posted a video response that goes to the heart of what you’re talking about here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHvpq0Aj9js&list=UURGtDF5VAywUVwgT51Ud6OQ&index=4&feature=plcp

    Basically, he says just what you’ve said: the secret is there is no secret. Hyperpolyglots just love languages so much that they put in every single free minute, so of course they learn “faster.” You just have to do it!

    *P.S. This is the second time I’ve used the word “sensible” in a comment on your blog! Which is a pretty big compliment :)

    • aarongmyers
      July 16, 2012 | 1:33 pm

      Allison,

      Thanks for stopping by and for adding such great value with your comments. I did a great disservice leaving Dr. Arguelles off the list – an oversight on my part. I have written about him in a past post and have seen his Youtube videos. I’ll continue to work to remain sensible and helpful and I’ll stop by and read through your very interesting site as well. Great work over there.

      Aaron

  16. Ivan
    August 26, 2012 | 1:03 am

    Aaron,

    Thanks a lot for this great post!!!

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